Expenses or director's loan account?

Hi everyone,

I just realised that 100% business expenses incurred by the employee and then reimbursed by the employer are supposed to be reported on a P11D form (and there may be payments due to HMRC etc).

What I’m wondering is, if the expenses were incurred by a director could they be considered a loan, which the company periodically reimburses? Would this mean no need to report on a P11D? Or would a P11D still be necessary?

I’ve read another thread which explains that ideally all business expenses should come from the company’s own bank account/card, which I know is the ideal way to do it. What I’m asking about is how director’s loan accounts are treated with respect to expenses and P11Ds?

Cheers :slight_smile:

Hello @madbilly

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Hi Steve,
I thought the purpose of the Accounting section was for accountancy questions, please excuse me.

Hello @madbilly

No, that’s fine, there are some accountants in the community who may comment.

This might be of help P11d, end-of-year expenses and benefits for employees

Yes, that’s helpful, however it does leave me a bit more confused because it suggests that HMRC will ask for a P11D which makes me wonder if I don’t need to file one if they don’t ask…

Its your responsibility to comply regardless asked or not

Yes, that’s what I thought it would be. Thanks for the help :slight_smile:

What payroll system are you using for your payroll? This should guide you on what to do.

Sage. Good point, I should look. However I’ve not been putting expenses reimbursement through payroll.

Surely it depends what type of business expenses are being reimbursed and whether they are covered by exemptions?

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If the employee is paying for expenses incurred in the course of business, such as travel expenses, buying office supplies, etc. and the company is simply reimbursing them for the cost incurred, then there is no requirement to report them on a P11D.

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Thanks Claire, this is what I’d thought would be the case, but was quite concerned that it is more complicated than this.
Cheers :slightly_smiling_face:

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